Why Converting YouTube to 320kbps MP3 is a Waste of Time

Converting Youtube videos to MP3 (or similar audio format) is a popular way to obtain music, and there are plenty of sites specifically for this purpose. The problem, however, is that many people looking for “lossless” or “CD-quality” music are misled by what these converters are capable of.

If you aren’t much of an audiophile, and you don’t care about things like MP3 bitrates, this article isn’t for you – but if you’re someone who frequently uses website converters to download “320kbps” MP3s from Youtube videos, read on to find out why you’re wasting your time.

What Audio Bitrate does YouTube Stream In?

For starters, Youtube does not play audio at 320kbps, even on the highest video resolution. It does not come even close to 320kbps. Youtube uses two types of audio formats – AAC (wrapped in an MP4 container) or Opus in a WebM container.

For AAC, Youtube will play a maximum audio bitrate of around 126 kbps. For Opus, it can be between 56 kbps and 165 kbps. This is regardless of the audio source format being uploaded because Youtube will automatically re-encode videos to use their format. So even if you upload a video with 24/96 lossless audio, Youtube will convert it to 126 kbps AAC in an MP4 container.

Note: You can also try to manually determine the Bitrate of any audio file yourself.

Once a video reaches a certain amount of views and becomes “popular”, Youtube will automatically re-encode a WebM/Opus version of the video, which can be only slightly higher in quality (156 vs 126 kbps). There are numerous ways to test this, but let’s use a free online tool called “YouTube Video Info”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OSVhlGmUH4&t=19s

The video we will use will be “[Lossless] Dire Straits – Money for Nothing 24 Bit Sound 2K Video”. This video was uploaded as an MKV merged with a lossless FLAC file, so it should sound amazing.

Now we will run the video URL through the video info tool, and here is what we get (note the bitrates circled in red). A variable bitrate stream between 55 to 143 Kbps. We can do this again in VLC, and inspect the codec while streaming the video.

Audio Source Matters, but Not Much

Despite its bitrate, that video actually sounded really good. How come?

It had great source material, a lossless format from a master studio track. Of course, it is going to sound better than a majority of videos out there that use horribly compressed MP3s as the audio source. So even if it is not being delivered to you in pure lossless format, it still sounds better than the average music video on Youtube. But make no mistake that the original audio source is being compressed by YouTube.

Now that we’re aware YouTube is compressing audio down to 128 – 156 Kbps, you might ask, what’s the point of converting YouTube videos to 320 Kbps MP3, like those sites offering “High-quality MP3 rips” from YouTube?

There isn’t.

In fact, by converting a YouTube video to 320 Kbps MP3, you are in fact damaging the audio quality. The conversion site will rip the audio from the YouTube in its AAC / MP4 container, then re-convert it to a 320 Kbps MP3. Anytime you convert an audio file from one format to another, it gets compressed all over again – and by “upsampling” a 128 Kbps source to 320 Kbps MP3, you are in fact just adding a bunch of useless data to the file which equates to useless background noise.

Imagine it like this – you have some old VHS tapes laying around. You copy them to your computer and burn them to DVD. Do they magically become DVD-quality videos? Or, say you have a 500×500 image file, and you resize it to 5000×5000. Even though the file size increases, the image itself becomes blurry, right?

That is essentially what happens when you “convert” a YouTube video to a higher bitrate. If you want to convert YouTube videos to audio files without hurting the audio quality, you’re better off converting to a lossless format, like WAV or FLAC. At least that way, the original YouTube video won’t be compressed during re-encoding.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Kevin Arrows


Kevin Arrows is a highly experienced and knowledgeable technology specialist with over a decade of industry experience. He holds a Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist (MCTS) certification and has a deep passion for staying up-to-date on the latest tech developments. Kevin has written extensively on a wide range of tech-related topics, showcasing his expertise and knowledge in areas such as software development, cybersecurity, and cloud computing. His contributions to the tech field have been widely recognized and respected by his peers, and he is highly regarded for his ability to explain complex technical concepts in a clear and concise manner.

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    Scotequo Sep 14, 2018

    It doesn’t make sense to change a low bit rate audio to higher one or convert a lossless format to WAV or FLAC since the audio quality will not be improved. I know wonderfox hd video converter factory can change bit rate. You can try with it.

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    Julien M. Jan 14, 2019

    This article is false for some parts… Youtube music presents couples of music which are not videos like apple music or spotify. However those music are in 320 kbps. And to conclude…. thos musics are also on youtube. in…. 320 kbps. Thanks

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      Tony Celentano Jan 15, 2019

      Hi Julien,

      Thanks for your comment! This article was specifically about Youtube – Youtube Music is of course a separate streaming service. It has a maximum streaming bitrate of 256 kbps AAC, which is equivalent to a 320 kbps MP3 (debatable amongst audiophiles). However, it also requires a premium subscription to stream at that quality.

      What’s your current audio quality and what audio quality are you going to give in the long run?
      Right now if you stream at Normal quality, you are getting 128kbps AAC as your bitrate. For premium subscribers, we offer High quality which is 256kbps AAC. If you have flaky network connectivity or want to save data, you can switch to low quality which is 48kbps HE-AAC. 256kbps AAC is equivalent in audio quality to the 320kbps CBR mp3 that we had for GPM, but it uses less data.
      https://support.google.com/youtubemusic/thread/338369?msgid=348540

      This article’s point was that ripping Youtube videos and converting them to 320 kbps MP3 (as many ripping websites offer to do) is largely a waste of time. It is much better to rip in the native AAC.

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        Julien M. Jan 18, 2019

        Thank you for your answer but mp3 downloaders don’t care about quality and just take the better from url of the video so if possible in 320kbps.(Of course it depends on the website.) Truly yours

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          Tony Celentano Jan 22, 2019

          Hi Julien,

          Thanks for your response – it seems we’re making the same point! As you pointed out, “mp3 downloaders don’t care about quality and just take the better from url of the video so if possible in 320kbps”.

          That is exactly what this article is warning people about. Youtube does not stream audio in MP3 format, it streams them in AAC. Thus “mp3 downloaders” actually convert the AAC to MP3 on the fly – which is considered a “lossy” conversion (the very act of converting AAC to MP3 “degrades” the sound quality).

          This is something 98% of people would never care about – especially if they’re obtaining music by ripping audio from YouTube videos. But for the 2% “audiophiles” who are interested in things like lossy vs lossless, data compression, FLAC audio, etc etc, its stuff worth knowing.

          In fact, mp3 format itself is practically stone age technology! The only reason mp3 is still popular today is because people became used to it, particularly during the iPod / mp3 player days before smartphones, when Napster / Bearshare / LimeWire / other P2P clients were super popular for downloading pirated mp3s. There are much better audio file formats out there, but most consumers are really only aware of mp3.

          Here’s a really good article on that topic: https://ask.audio/articles/the-rise-and-fall-of-mp3

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      MrNams Jun 12, 2019

      Thanks, can you please post such video link here.

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    HelpfulPCM May 20, 2019

    As a fellow audiophile, thank you for writing this. It’s good to see there are still sensible folk around.

    I can personally confirm that all of the information here is true and accurate. If you want to get music off YouTube and onto your device in a quick and compatible way, your best bet is downloading the AAC stream and not converting or transcoding at all. That said, if you care about quality, YouTube should not be your source to begin with.

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      Aht Jun 13, 2019

      Wel, I found that it’s better to download the .web video container with the .opus audio file in it. It’s frequency cutoff is around 20 kkhz, for aac it’s around 16 khz. Downloaded with JDownloader2, and audio then checked with Spek (you need to demux the .web container with MKV Cleaver to get the separate audio file; the mp4 file can be opened in Spek without that procedure).

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      David Kosman Dec 20, 2019

      Do you know some particular ripper? I searched for it but there are only mp3 converters, I found one ”AAC converter”, but again this probably still converts the file, not just extract it. Thanks

      AL
      Alessandro87 Nov 11, 2020

      sorry for asking u this… but i would ask you the BEST method to create my own offline library of music i love, but i would not download music from yt because i want the best quality i can get, always. what do you suggest me? which paid servic, and… HOW to extract music ( best container/codec) from that “pure” source? thanks in advance

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        Muhammad Zubyan Author Nov 11, 2020

        The best method would be to just buy Spotify and then save songs for playing offline that’s the best way as of now. If you want to extract the best music possible from youtube extracting it will compress the audio no matter what but you can always check the description for original mp3 files.

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        H Nov 20, 2020

        U can use telegram to find high quality music

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    tyo8 May 30, 2019

    youtube converts all audio to an opus codec now , not AAC , regardless of popularity , although it might depend on what your cahnnel is ” labelled ” as , mine is music only and all uploads are opus regardless of popularity, opus 251 seems to be the most common one, and seeing as opus sounds , compresses and performs much better than AAC and mp3 it will be the equivalent of an 320kbps mp3 or much better

    https://imgur.com/a/4ljso00 shows the codec in use
    people often confuse what youtube says their music service and their video service offers

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    Joe Logger Mar 26, 2020

    My hearing ain’t that great anyway, I’m an old man that spent his life working on drilling rigs and listening to loud rock n roll so don’t know if I can really hear the difference in 128 and 320. I’ve been converting Youtube videos to 160K mp3s lately. Maybe should just do 128K and save a little space on my harddrive and phone.

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    Joe Logger Mar 26, 2020

    Why would I want AAC? MP3 is all I want so all I wonder about is 160K better than 128K for MP3. AAC is some apple stuff ain’t it? I’m not interested in anything Apple, Mac or Iwhatever

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      Shane Warren Author Mar 28, 2020

      AAC can achieve better quality than MP3 while maintaining the same bit rate.

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    Lumi Apr 5, 2020

    Hi

    Thanks for all this information. I realise I was very naïve! I imagined a site giving me 320kbps in mp3 conversion meant the uploader uploaded it in that format.

    I downloaded Spek to compare some of my mp3s/flac files with Youtube downloads. I see my FLAC files are basically maximum/almost maximum on the graph and if I’m not mistaken a 320kbps mp3 is going to be about 20khz max.

    But how do you know what’s 192kbps, 128kbps and smaller? And what happens if I downloaded from youtube then edited in Audacity? Would that give a ‘false’ reading? E.g. if I downloaded from youtube, edited in Audacity saving the file as the same fake size from an mp3 site? I say this because some of the files from youtube are giving readings of up to 16Khz. Would 16khz not be the equivalent of 192kbps? And if it’s only coming up as 5-6Khz, what is this in bitrate?

    What is essentially is the best way to download something from Youtube? To look for a website that converts the video to AAC file? How do we know x site also isn’t giving the AAC file in a higher (fake) bitrate too?!

    And does anyone know about Soundcloud? I know there are similar sites that save it as an mp3 so I wondered if they use the same tricks.

    Thanks in advance

    SW
    Shane Warren Author Apr 10, 2020
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      Lumi Apr 10, 2020

      Thanks Shane. I’m a bit surprised as I downloaded some audio files that are 11khz or less on Spek and they don’t sound THAT bad (though my laptop is quite old). On that link you provided it says that’s the equivalent of 64kbps.

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    Dames Ef Apr 24, 2020

    Kevin, great article, thanks but never has there ever been a Dire Straits track that sounded other than, at best, mediocre.

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      Aiden Lautt Jun 10, 2020

      Blasphemy!

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    Laura S May 6, 2020

    Thank you!! This has been very helpful 🙂

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    CaptainGoobla May 8, 2020

    Is this information still accurate? I was able to download music with 320youtube.com, and Spek would show waves cutting off at 20kHZ (320kbps) and VLC media player reports that the content bitrate is 320 kb/s. Is YouTube now playing at 320kbps?

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      Shane Warren Author May 9, 2020

      Try to check the true bitrate of the audio using the method indicated in the article. I’m sure it will not be 320 kbps.

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    Pheckphul Jun 5, 2020

    The example video is no longer available. Youtube app says the account has been deleted.

      SW
      Shane Warren Author Jun 6, 2020

      Might’ve been taken down, no problem you can still follow through for the information.

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    Prince Jun 7, 2020

    Hi, its really an insightful article regarding youtube music policies, but lately I’ve a question,
    As Mr. Kevin Arrows has written that If you want to convert YouTube videos to audio files without hurting the audio quality, you’re better off converting to a lossless format, like WAV or FLAC. At least that way, the original YouTube video won’t be compressed during re-encoding. So my question is how to effectively get 320 kbps mp3 audio from a youtube video file (considering the fact that .wav & .flac files are too large to setup a audio library and I personally don’t like the .aac audio format that much)Hoping for a reply

      SW
      Shane Warren Author Jun 9, 2020

      MP3 will always come with Loss, I think nowadays with such big HDDs and SSDs and even SSD cards, you can make a .wav library of considerable size if you really wanna go for that lossless point but still it comes with its side effects such as huge space consumption.

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        Jim Jun 30, 2020

        Agreed. I ripped over 3,000 CDs to .wav format and used less than 3TB. I THOUGHT that it would take more space so I bought two 8TB external drives a while back for $130 each so that I would have a backup because I don’t want to have to rip them again. Well worth it!

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    Prince Jun 7, 2020

    Then what is the effective way to get 320kbps mp3 from a youtube video file?

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      Shane Warren Author Jun 9, 2020

      There isn’t, that is the point.

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        Joe Logger Jun 20, 2020

        But what about 192kbps? Am I just wasting hard drive space by converting mp3 to that? Would 128 be just as good? I am in the 98%. I’ve spent many years on drilling rigs and all those concerts in my younger days. That Ted Nugent concert in “76, I’m surprised I can hear anything. Ted had me stone deaf but hearing slowly came back in a few hours.

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          Shane Warren Author Jun 21, 2020

          If you are not an audiophile and just care for the lyrics and the music and don’t really hear things that well, it is best to just go for the 128 to save hard disk space.

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    Tony Celentano Jul 2, 2020

    For anyone finding this article in 2020, a more comprehensive method of determining audio quality, including on streaming services, was published here: https://appuals.com/how-to-

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      Carlos Oct 1, 2020

      Good afternoon, Tony!
      Man, have you accounts on any social network, that anybody can follow you for getting informations about audio?

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    BlahBlahGamekings Aug 7, 2020

    The best way, and I mean the absolute best way to download the highest quality audio from youtube is by… downloading the source opus stream. You cannot get any better audio than the source provides. You can use ‘Youtube-DLG’ to download the opus directly from youtube. And unlike what this guy is telling it is not limited to 165 kbps, at least not anymore it is. Here is a spectrogram from a song I downloaded directly from youtube. https://uploads.disquscdn.c…Problem is, there are very few music players that support opus. Default windows ‘groove music’ player should be able to play it though. It did for me at least.

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      Adam Oct 13, 2020

      Hi,Will new pipe apk do the job I think it allows youtube opus downloads? Because I want THE best audio quality same as orginalThanks

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    Starfawkes Aug 22, 2020

    Thanks for making me feel a lot better about digitizing these vinyl (at around CD-quality) even though they’re already up on YouTube. Big ups–

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    Αθανάσιος Σουλακάκης Aug 22, 2020

    So if I want to listen the audio of a YouTube video, what is best? Download the original video first and convert it or convert it directly? And in what format? Mp3, m4a or flac?

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      Shane Warren Author Aug 23, 2020

      IF you don’t have studio grade equipment and aren’t an audiophile that hears every single high and low with extreme precision, i’d recommend you just download the normal mp3 file.

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    Adam Sep 2, 2020

    Hi, really helpful but what is the best way to convert youtube video to flac and where can I do this via android?

    Cheers.

      TC
      Tony Celentano Sep 5, 2020

      Hey Adam,Converting YouTube audio to flac would be pointless, you would be converting lossy format to lossless which has no benefits at all to audio quality. Your best bet is to rip the audio from YouTube in its native format, which is opus codec for most modern YouTube videos

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        Adam Sep 5, 2020

        Hi Tony, thanks for getting back to me. You mentioned “If you want to convert YouTube videos to audio files without hurting the audio quality, you’re better off converting to a lossless format, like WAV or FLAC. At least that way, the original YouTube video won’t be compressed during re-encoding.” That’s what I’ve done I’ve got the URL of a video on YouTube then went to a youtube converter site and chose FLAC option. And when it’s downloaded it shows as ‘UHQ’ (Ultra high quality) with a bit depth of 24 bit and a sample rate of 44kHz on my samsung music app.Hope to hear from you soon.Cheers.

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        Adam Oct 12, 2020

        You mentioned it would be better.to convert to flac or wav

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          Tony Celentano Oct 16, 2020

          That may be the information written in the metatags, you’ll have to inspect it with a spectrum analyzer to determine if you’re truly getting 24bit / 44kHz quality audio. You can rip a song and choose “24 bit / 44kHz” as the encoding, but if the original wasn’t actually 24 bit / 44kHz, you’re just going to get a 16 bit / 44kHz file that says its a 24 bit / 44kHz, if that makes sense.However this article was written a couple years ago and I need to investigate the exact quality Youtube is offering up these days.

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    neoqueto Oct 8, 2020

    But what if I want it in MP3 on my hard drive? Maybe I just don’t care that much about certain songs.

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      Muhammad Zubyan Author Oct 9, 2020

      The best resort in this situation would be to check the description if there is any link to that MP3 song provided. If it isn’t provided and you don’t care about conversion rate and quality of them yes sure you can convert them to MP3.

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    Adam Oct 12, 2020

    Hi,
    Is it best to just convert the youtube video to flac using online converter tool, or too download the youtube video ion the web container with t’s opus sound?

    Thanks

      MZ
      Muhammad Zubyan Author Oct 13, 2020

      It would be good to just convert youtube video to FLAC through an online converter tool. Because if you will download the video yourself it will compress both Video and audio quality and when you will change the format it will the audio again. So I suggest you convert it through any online converter. They will do the same thing they will rip out the audio from the container but the compression will be less.

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        Adam Oct 13, 2020

        Hi,But I’ve read many forums/posts/audiophiles stating that the best way is to download the original which is opus sound quality from youtube because when a creator uploads then youtube compresses that to their AAC format so there is no point in converting to flac. You mentioned it’s good to just convert the video to Flac but the author stated not to do this in one of the comments but he also stated “If you want to convert YouTube videos to audio files without hurting the audio quality, you’re better off converting to a lossless format, like WAV or FLAC. At least that way, the original YouTube video won’t be compressed during re-encoding.”I’m confused and would appreciate if you can shine some light on thisThanks

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          Tony Celentano Oct 16, 2020

          Hi,Some of the information in this article may be outdated. When it was written, Youtube ripping sites really only offered MP3, WAV, and sometimes FLAC as the encoding format. Youtube also did not offer very high bitrates, which has changed over time.Converting MP3 to MP3 would result in re-encoding of the audio, i.e. going from lossy to lossy format, so technically you’d be “compressing” what was already an MP3-quality audio. As a “sort of” example, imagine putting a .RAR file inside of a .RAR file.Converting lossy to lossless, however, will not try to “re-compress” anything, it would just “preserve” the audio quality exactly as it was on Youtube, without making it worse. As another “sort of” example, imagine you’re just moving a .RAR archive into a regular folder.You wouldn’t get a hi-res FLAC quality file, but you wouldn’t be double compressing MP3-quality audio, if that makes sense.However, Youtube offers new quality formats etc, so I need to research the most modern and best methods of extracting audio from Youtube.

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    EkajArmstro Nov 15, 2020

    I stumbled upon this article trying to find out what format youtube encodes audio in, so thanks for that info!

    However I think this article is somewhat misleading. Yes you can’t get better quality than the source encoding, and you should avoid re-encoding, but there are many reasons why you would want to use mp3 anyway (player support, less filesize than wav or flac). If you are set on using an mp3, then mp3 320 is still almost certainly going to be better than mp3 at the source bitrate because it should reduce re-encoding artifacts.

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    Arkane Jan 13, 2021

    Great article, thanks for this.

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    Jaded May 1, 2021

    Does converting from FLAC/ ALAC —> .WAV/ AIFF damage the file from decoding and re-encoding? When will we all be listening to WAV/ AIFF when storage space won’t be an issue anymore? Why do I STILL have to buy a Compact Disc if I instead wanted everything to be digital and uncompressed (looking at you ITunes with your 256 M4A’s)?…

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      Muhammad Zubyan Author May 1, 2021

      No, as they both are lossless quality formats, converting them FLAC to WAV will not damage the file and it won’t lose any quality. The same goes for ALAC to AIFF.

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    Chris Andersen Jul 13, 2021

    I would like to convert YouTube videos to audio files without hurting the audio quality.It is imperative that the quality of the audio remains identical to what YouTube broadcasts — I don’t require the video — just the audio.What is the best way to do this?

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      Muhammad Zubyan Author Jul 28, 2021

      Best way to do this would be this program: https://mrs0m30n3.github.io/youtube-dl-gui/

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    Akhil Aug 17, 2021

    So, what about certain sites which let people download audio format of a particular youtube video by pasting video URL and then convert into mp3 and then you can download itI use it too, the site claims that it converts into audio at bitrate of 192kbps.
    And the audio really has decent quality.
    So, is this really 192kbps?

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    David Wei Oct 11, 2021

    Why even bother? The video sounded good because you haven’t heard better. If you are eating spoiled food all your life, of course you think it is good. YouTube sounds TERRIBLE.Instead of wasting time trying to make YouTube’s turd sound quality better, may i suggest using that time to work on a part time job and BUY the music you want at CD quality or better.That’s what I did when i decided Amazon Music HD is not working the way i like it, and bought quite a few 24bit/48-96Khz recordings from ototoy. The sound quality improvement over YouTube is tremendous. Yes, YouTube can give me a good idea if i like the said music, which is when i dig up a place that sells high res version of the recording.No fiddling, and you can hear so much more than you ever did.

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    Maada Keili Apr 8, 2022

    Platinum notes solves this problem.

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    Bedro May 4, 2022

    “…damaging the audio quality”? Now you got me worried…but i wouldn’t redownload all of my 256kbps tracks to 128kbps since it’s a ton of files to work with 🙁

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    Noah Aug 14, 2022

    thank you Kevin. WELL EXPLAINED

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    johndsutherland@outlook.com Sep 25, 2022

    I do alot of listening at internet sites used primarily for film and television music, for example APM Music, Universal Production Music, Extreme Music to name a few and my question is in regards to the quality of the audio signal that visitors to these sites get when they’re just visiting/checking it out, as opposed to when they are actually clients in which case they would have a choice of MP3 or WAV or AIFF, is there a standard low grade signal that is used by internet music libraries.